[Metroid Prime 2: Echoes]What is your one most overrated and one most underrated games you’ve ever played?

  VoidofLight141VoidofLightMon 7th Jun 2021

  @TheJGG I can see why people like it, but it’s just honestly not for me. I do agree with the series being the comfort food of those who enjoy traditional rpgs.

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  Dezzy142DezzyMon 7th Jun 2021

  Ralizah wrote:

  @Dezzy Clicked with my brain in what sense? Keeping in mind I can only speak from a position of experience about Bloodborne, it’s only really competent AS an action game, IMO. Otherwise, it’s an RPG with almost no customization, no story-telling, no quests, barely any characters… what’s left beside the action? Wandering around empty environments so as to occasionally create a shortcut? I guess it does have stats you can allocate, but that’s the only sense in which it seems even remotely RPG-like, and there are games out there that aren’t RPGs and also features leveling systems.

  Well Bloodborne and Sekiro definitely lean more towards action than Dark Souls/Demon’s Souls do. That’s true. But I still fundamentally view all of these games as being driven by loot, character building, and strategy, just as much as action. Dark Souls 1 especially is designed so you’re supposed to die on your first attempt at most bosses (and many areas too). It does consciously undermine the purely skill-based approach to gameplay. If you start the game as a Knight class, you even start with your character over-encumbered so you can’t move quickly, to really drive home the point that it’s not supposed to be about skill.

  There is also quite a lot of story and characters in all these games. It’s just all hidden. It’s hidden in item descriptions and character side-quests. Most of which are quite hard to figure out how to unlock and complete. That can sometimes be a bit annoying, but it was a pretty genius PR strategy for the series, because it lead to this big online community forming of people piecing everything together over time.

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  Snaplocket143SnaplocketMon 7th Jun 2021

  Overrated? Banjo-Kazooie, I prefer pretty much any other 3d platformer released at the time over it or it’s sequel.

  Underrated? World’s End Club. Nintendolife gave it a 5 out of 10 and the platforming sections are mediocre but honestly, the story and characters are some of the best of recent memory and I feel the game is worth playing because of that. It looks and sounds really good too. It’s not as good as Zero Escape, Danganronpa or AI Files but it’s still worth playing for fans of those games.

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  Snatcher144SnatcherMon 7th Jun 2021

  Overrated: Okami. Okami is amazing and wile no I didn’t beat the game, one I think the game Does great, I mean it was a ps2 game (Or ps1?) and it does a great job with making every area feel new, But bc the game is so long, its starts having to reuse stuff, but before I get to that. Sometimes the game is unclear on what it wants you to do, I remember in one section You have to catch a a dude who stole a purse or somethin, and the whole time you have no idea on what to do, I had to end up looking up what to do it was so random. But Back to the game reusing stuff, I mean it, you fight like the same boss 5 times, not all at once but 5 times, the boss is annoying and its just not fun, And this might sound stupid, but I do feel like the game drags on unnecessaryly, and I have proof of it doing this, sometimes story point that never get brought up again, or stuff that just waste your time just to waste your time.

  Ya so this might sound stupid but this is my opinion on the game, I still love it, The game looks great, and for a ps2 game its very big, and the fact that they were able to make a game this long without making it to boring is amazing.

  Underrated: Bomber man R online, The review makes the game sound unfair and pay to win but its not, its actually a really good game please try it.

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  Snatcher145SnatcherMon 7th Jun 2021

  @Snaplocket I kinda feel like unless the game is near perfect they can’t injoy the game. so they give it 5/10’s

  Edited on Mon 7th June, 2021 @ 18:17 by Snatcher

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  KingMike146KingMikeTue 8th Jun 2021

  Dezzy wrote:

  Well Bloodborne and Sekiro definitely lean more towards action than Dark Souls/Demon’s Souls do. That’s true. But I still fundamentally view all of these games as being driven by loot, character building, and strategy, just as much as action. Dark Souls 1 especially is designed so you’re supposed to die on your first attempt at most bosses (and many areas too). It does consciously undermine the purely skill-based approach to gameplay. If you start the game as a Knight class, you even start with your character over-encumbered so you can’t move quickly, to really drive home the point that it’s not supposed to be about skill.

  I’ve only watched Dark Souls, hadn’t yet played. So maybe I’m misunderstanding.

  But I don’t see how a game that doesn’t hand out wins on the first try isn’t a “skill” game.

  Isn’t it a “skill” game if it wants you to really learn the enemies and stuff?

  I’m only assuming if it was a truly terribly-designed game, it wouldn’t be played by many except the cult communities of people who enjoy terrible games.

  Now Enix America might’ve broken a few games in localization (especially 7th Saga),

  but I look at SoulBlazer. To my memory, most or all of the Japanese bosses could simply be mashed to death. The English version bosses were buffed to at least require a tactical effort.

  Or is it wrong if a game requires more “skill” than knowing how to mash the attack button?

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  Dezzy147DezzyWed 9th Jun 2021

  KingMike wrote:

  I’ve only watched Dark Souls, hadn’t yet played. So maybe I’m misunderstanding.

  But I don’t see how a game that doesn’t hand out wins on the first try isn’t a “skill” game.

  Isn’t it a “skill” game if it wants you to really learn the enemies and stuff?

  I’m only assuming if it was a truly terribly-designed game, it wouldn’t be played by many except the cult communities of people who enjoy terrible games.

  Well obviously you can just define everything as being some kind of “skill” if you want to get into semantics. I mean skill as opposed to strategy, and as opposed to character building and loot hunting.

  I simply mean that on your first playthrough (especially), having the right equipment, and figuring out the weaknesses of bosses will generally get you further than simply being good at action games will.

  Edited on Wed 9th June, 2021 @ 01:01 by Dezzy

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  NintendoByNature148NintendoByNatureWed 9th Jun 2021

  I always get worried posting stuff like this since I’m sure people will be upset, but here goes anyway lol…

  Underrated: the Guacamelee duo. I’d say they’re 2 of the very best action platformer/metroidvania games on switch. I know they review well, but you don’t hear people talking about them nearly as much as Celeste, hollow knight, shovel knight etc. If you haven’t yet, go play em!

  Overrated: monster hunter rise. Did I enjoy my time with it? I guess.. maybe a little bit. The first 4-5hrs were a nice change of pace for me being my first MH game. But then shortly after I just wanted it to end. I know it gets glowing reviews everywhere and I’m all for that, I just don’t think the game is for me. I’m glad I tried it though.

  Edited on Wed 9th June, 2021 @ 17:01 by NintendoByNature

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  Losermagnet149LosermagnetFri 11th Jun 2021

  @Ralizah i totally get Bloodborne being overrated. I finished it a couple months back and, while I enjoyed my time with it, I couldn’t comprehend the amount of praise it’s received. I went in expecting at least a Dark Souls level of storytelling, and I didn’t get that. And I s’pose I prefer the slow tension in Dark Souls’ combat to the mad flailing I did in Bloodborne.

  For underrated……I dunno. Donkey Kong on the gameboy maybe? It’s an awesome game and I think it’s much better than either of the Mario Land games.

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  jump150jumpFri 11th Jun 2021

  @Losermagnet Yeah Game Boy Donkey Kong was legit great, I’m surprised it doesn’t get talked about more. It appears to be just the arcade game or just a slight remix of the stages but it’s surprising inventive. Thinking about I may get out my 3DS to have a go on it again.

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  MarioLover92151MarioLover92Fri 11th Jun 2021

  @NintendoByNature I never got into Monster Hunter either. I tried a couple of the MH games and while I do see the appeal, it’s not quite my cup of tea. Part of the reason why is because a lot of the weapons have a lengthy wind-up time for connecting your attacks to the monsters you face. The controls in general felt too…heavy for me, as well.

  @Losermagnet Donkey Kong is probably my favorite game on the original Game Boy. I liked Mario vs. Donkey Kong on the GBA as well, would love to see another game like this over another one of those Mini Mario games.

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  NintendoByNature152NintendoByNatureFri 11th Jun 2021

  @MarioLover92 for sure. It kind of felt like a slog getting thru it. It wasn’t bad, it just isn’t something I’ll ever revisit

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  Ferdinand_Von_Aegir153Ferdinand_Von_AegirFri 11th Jun 2021

  OVERRATED: Mario Odyssey. Okay hear me out, everyone always talks about how big and cool Mario Odysseys world is. But each of the kingdoms more or less can be described as: go from point A to point B but with some weird and wacky characters in between all of the stuff and a bunch of really easy moons to get to give the allusion of progression even though it is just the same, not that fun gameplay loop until you beat the 5 hour long main story and than just grind 9999 coins so than you can buy a bunch of moons to get to the darker side of the moon. That core game play loop is even less fun than the main game! Plus there are 999 moons in the game and that is way to much.

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  WWENATION4154WWENATION4Tue 15th Jun 2021

  @Snatcher I honestly see why some people think it’s overrated coming from a fan of Smash’s standpoint. If your reason is for example “too hard” or anything along the lines of that then that’s understandable to me. But if you come up with something that’s ***** like “i don’t like this game because people are better than me” or “i don’t like this game because i lose a lot” then i just can’t accept those two reasons i mentioned above.

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  Snatcher155SnatcherTue 15th Jun 2021

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  I-U156I-USat 26th Jun 2021

  Overrated: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (Metacritic Score: 92, User Score: 8.8/10)

  If you’re not curious about experiencing some of this game’s bosses firsthand, I wouldn’t recommend playing through Echoes. I can’t recall if I’ve beaten Echoes twice, but I do know that my main motivation my first playthrough was to get to Quadraxis. I felt that if I just got to that boss battle, I would enjoy the experience enough and be close enough to the end that I would finally beat the game. Navigating around and between Aether and Dark Aether felt like a chore to get through. It felt too complex for its map system. Echoes is the only Metroid game that I have yet to enjoy exploring.

  Underrated: Metroid Prime: Federation Force (Metacritic Score: 64, User Score: 5.5/10)

  Having owned the Samus and Zero Suit Samus amiibo well before the release of Federation Force, I decided to take advantage of their Paint Job unlocks early on in my first run of Federation Force. It didn’t take long for me to realize that playing alone would be the best way to experience the missions across the Bermuda System. I had the engrossing atmosphere and enjoyable, rewarding exploration that I expect when playing a Metroid game. I was unlocking the full catalog of MODs quicker, not having to split them up with other players, and the MOD system in Federation Force I would argue is the best upgrade system in the Metroid Series.

  The lore for this game made me feel very powerful once it established the scale of the standard Space Pirate grunt as being as large as the Omega Pirate, the boss from depths of the Phazon Mines in Metroid Prime. Any threat in the Bermuda System bigger than those Space Pirates ended up feeling very satisfying to take out. I love having “Kraid” bosses in Metroid games as well that throw difficulty out the window if you have the right weapon and are efficient in your timing. The game’s first mission has one such boss with the Ice Hopper Nest and around the mid-point of the game there’s the Rohkor Beetle which becomes a “Kraid” boss when the player has closer to a completed MOD selection. There’s always some challenge with these kind of bosses first go around, but when the player is more experienced I definitely prefer being able to dominate a large boss quickly as opposed to still being challenged. This isn’t for every boss, 2-3 is fine, and it is the most satisfying if it’s a large threat like Kraid.

  I would argue Federation Force’s single player has the best replay value when compared to nearly every single player experience found in the rest of the Metroid series. This is due to the extent of the MOD system and the equipment options the player has before each mission deployment. Each time the player unlocks a MOD slot or gets a new MOD for their arsenal, their options expand. Even progression MODs, i.e. Payload Density I, II and III, at their first tier still serve a purpose even once the player gains the next tier. MODs can break, so does the player risk the newer, better MOD for the sake of more effectiveness in a mission or continue to use the weaker MOD until they have more stock of the better MOD or possibly save the better MOD for an obvious boss mission. In general, I found myself thinking over what I planned to do in Federation Force often and that’s rare whenever I play a Metroid game.

  Federation Force has a lot to offer. Personally, Federation Force may be second only to my favorite Metroid game. I think I’ve enjoyed the game just a little more than Super Metroid. The game doesn’t deserve its low ratings, but I could agree that its timing and marketing do deserve low marks. Hopefully, maybe after Prime 4 releases, more fans will grab their amiibo and spend some time with this amazing game.

  Edited on Sat 26th June, 2021 @ 05:10 by I-U

  Favorite Game: Metroid Prime Hunters

  Offolsense157OffolsenseSat 26th Jun 2021

  This is such a cool thread!

  To be honest I think there is always something to appreciate in games, and sometimes they get overlooked.

  I don’t like to say things are overrated, so I won’t

  But there are several games that I feel some people are dismissive of that are very fun, or great games.

  Here are 3:

  Metroid Other M

  One of the closest things on the Wii to a true AAA big-budget game.

  The anime-like story did bring it down a little but it wasn’t any worse than most Metal Gear Solid games.

  But the game itself? The Music is awesome and matches the atmosphere, the concept was perfect for Metroid, great attention to making the combat fun and fluid, and to me it is the only true 3d successor to what the 2D games do.

  Prime is good but the focus is very different than the fast-paces 2d Games.

  And another Metroid game, Metroid Prime: Hunters on the DS

  Again, fast paced, but the multiplayer was so much fun. I honestly think if it had been released on console and treated like a competitive game, we would have a sequel to it by now.

  Not that they didn’t do it right. The online multiplayer was state of the art for a DS launch game.

  But not many played it.

  Lastly, Harvest Moon DS

  Even among Harvest Moon fans, I don’t think this one saw many players.

  But to me, it’s still the best in the series.

  It takes the great things people love about FOMT and adds so much.

  You can tell so much effort and care went in to making a deep world to explore.

  Hidden secrets and so many random events to encounter! And the music and atmosphere was not as happy and upbeat as some of the others, which to me made it a pretty unique experience.

  Love the game, too bad about the glitch that stops your progress at year 2! lol

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  Tyranexx158TyranexxSat 26th Jun 2021

  @Offolsense Totally agree on Other M. Some of the online complaints are valid, but the internet does like to make mountains out of molehills. Yeah, the story could be better, but it isn’t bad. Yes, the bad points do need work, but I didn’t find the whole thing to be terrible. If anything, I just wish more of the side characters like Anthony had more character development. I do also agree that upgrades could’ve been handled better outside of “authorization”. Once things start to open up more, the exploration really does feel like a Metroid game. Some of the music is really good, the visuals are pretty decent for a Wii game, and the boss fights are, for the most part, fun and engaging. I bought the game dirt cheap off of Amazon ~3 years ago brand new for about $6-7 USD. With my experience, I would’ve been happy if I’d paid 3x that amount.

  You also mentioned Metroid Prime: Hunters. I haven’t played that one, but I’ve been debating about grabbing it on the Wii U VC just to see what I’m missing. True, no multiplayer there, but it’s something I can live without. As I’ve played all the other Prime games (Well, minus Federation Force, but I’ve avoided that one more out of having nobody to play it with), it’s almost a travesty that I haven’t touched this one.

  Edited on Sat 26th June, 2021 @ 20:26 by Tyranexx

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  Offolsense159OffolsenseSat 26th Jun 2021

  @Tyranexx

  Dude, same here! I feel like so much care went in to Other M, I really hate to see people dismiss it.

  I hate to say it about Hunters, because I love it, but the multiplayer really is a huge part of the experience. The single player is strong but short. You might be a little underwhelmed……

  I’ve even explored online to see if there are people emulating multiplayer on PC, but unfortunately it seems like I’ll never really get the chance to play it proper again. Used to play with a few friends locally but don’t live near anymore.

  Closest thing to it would be other arena-style shooters like Quake. One of these days I’ll give the newest Quake a try

  And I’ve also yet to play Federation Force… But I hear good things. Someone here mentioned it as their most underrated game even!

  Edit: Lol, it was the guy right above my post

  Edited on Sat 26th June, 2021 @ 22:30 by Offolsense

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  Tyranexx160TyranexxSun 27th Jun 2021

  @Offolsense I think I’m willing to chance the single player in Metroid Prime: Hunters since I’d be in it more for the story than anything else. Though it does surprise me that Nintendo didn’t allow a form of multiplayer with it and other DS Wii U eShop releases.

  As for Federation Force, even with all the backlash (Which seemed way overblown IMO), I was thinking of grabbing it at first. But then…I played Tri Force Heroes. The single player was clearly an afterthought in that game and was more frustrating than fun. I was worried FF, with its similar multiplayer focus, would deliver similar results.

  Love your username by the way. While I feel Diabolical Box had a couple of points stretched when it came to the plot, it was still a nice adventure with a touching ending.

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